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		<title>By: tumel</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2007 17:26:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>thank you Sue Ann, again I realize something I was not consious of and I am fine with tart, I just might need time sometimes to appreciate it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thank you Sue Ann, again I realize something I was not consious of and I am fine with tart, I just might need time sometimes to appreciate it.</p>
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		<title>By: Sue Ann Edwards</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sue Ann Edwards</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2007 19:41:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>{{tumel}}  Your Insight and Intuition into your own self serves you well.  No matter how it appears to our physical eyes, inside, within our inner relams, we are all alike.  We all share the same issues, the same underlying patterns.  Our differences appear when it comes to what issue is the particular challenge we&#039;ve chosen.

The nice thing about it is, that if it is someone&#039;s challenge, it won&#039;t be another&#039;s.  They will have something different as a challenge.  So we share ourselves with each other, like one hand washes another.  &quot;If you help me with the heavy lifting, I&#039;ll cook you a wonderful meal.&quot;

Our judgments, our conditions, were created to seperate ourselves from what we didn&#039;t like.  What we thought was &#039;bad&#039;.  Like a tribe that thought a baby&#039;s 2 bottom teeth coming in before their 2 top teeth, was an &#039;evil&#039; spirit and would kill the baby in order to protect the tribe.

Fetishes, supersitions, taboos, and sins are all the same thing.  Reasons to reject someone from the group.  To seperate them from the group.  Like removing a rotten apple from the barrel.

This is rejection and it is for this reason that we invented all the conditions.  And like you expressed, not a one of us likes the feel of the experience.   It doesn&#039;t feel very loving, much less accepting.

It also doesn&#039;t inspire honesty, &#039;cause we&#039;re too scared of being condemned and/or rejected to feel at ease.  So we lie.  We hide behind a false mask of ourselves.  And our smiles don&#039;t go all the way up to our eyes.  Or like you said, avoid people.

A lot of what you have shared revolves around one central issue, that of &quot;Justice&quot;.  And if you ponder it for a while, I bet you&#039;ll come up with all the reasons why you feel the way you do.

Because what our judgments attempt to do, is tip the scales of Justice in our favor, after we have first perceived inJustice.

&quot;Justice&quot;....a sticky issue you&#039;ve brought up.  Verry sticky because of all our different definitions of it.  It&#039;s all our basic differences surrounding this subject that has caused all our cultures to clash rather then merge upon meeting.  I will go further into another post.

The whole judgment thing is the workings of a virus, a consciousness virus.  It pops up all over the place, coloring almost everything we do.    This is another one that needs a seperate post to do it &#039;justice&#039; (snickering)

As for astrology, I&#039;m specific.  ESOteric, not exoteric.  ESO studies what&#039;s hidden.  EXO studies what our eyes can see.

The reason why it&#039;s called hidden, is for two reasons.  One, because it deals with our inner natures.  And two, because anything having to do with even reconizing we have an inner nature has had to be hidden, veiled in symbolism to convey meaning, underground, so to speak, for to know anything about it meant a death sentence for millenia.

It&#039;s why those of us familiar with it, feel a great reluctancy sticking our necks out.  It wasn&#039;t by accident I was born in a country where my religious freedom was protected.  As was my Freedom of speech.

The freedom of religion liberty is the ONLY one that all our government agencies treat like a hot potato.  Hands off messing with this one, that&#039;d be political suicide.  Which makes it perfect to use as a secure foundation.  &quot;Base&quot;  Can&#039;t tag me when I&#039;m on base.

Now by the time I throw in the little ditty that other people&#039;s feelings ARE other people&#039;s feelings and I CAN&#039;T by any semblance of rational honesty, be BLAMED for what peptide other people&#039;s brains produce in response to what I&#039;ve shared..then I&#039;ve pretty much resolved all the arguments surrounding our freedom of speech, too.

It&#039;s because the ground I&#039;m standing on is so solid, that I have the Courage to speak now.

ESOteric...the journey of our Soul through states of consciousness/awareness.  I looked for the exact quote for you but can&#039;t put my finger on it right now.   It has to do with things of a moment, having all the intrinsic qualities of that moment.  And this relates to gravitational/magnetic fields.  It&#039;s meaning is in what we have to work with.  Our raw materials.  It doesn&#039;t have anything to do with our tools, for we all share the same toolbox and all share the same powers of transformation.

I compare it to being service personnel that have volunteered to help clean up a big mess.  We each choose a small part and do the best we can.  The big mess belongs to all of us, not any one in particular but everyone in general.  We&#039;re each doing the best we know how, being the best drop we can be in our collective bucket.

Whatever one of us dumps into the bucket, we all get to taste.

How are you for &quot;tart&quot;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>{{tumel}}  Your Insight and Intuition into your own self serves you well.  No matter how it appears to our physical eyes, inside, within our inner relams, we are all alike.  We all share the same issues, the same underlying patterns.  Our differences appear when it comes to what issue is the particular challenge we&#8217;ve chosen.</p>
<p>The nice thing about it is, that if it is someone&#8217;s challenge, it won&#8217;t be another&#8217;s.  They will have something different as a challenge.  So we share ourselves with each other, like one hand washes another.  &#8220;If you help me with the heavy lifting, I&#8217;ll cook you a wonderful meal.&#8221;</p>
<p>Our judgments, our conditions, were created to seperate ourselves from what we didn&#8217;t like.  What we thought was &#8216;bad&#8217;.  Like a tribe that thought a baby&#8217;s 2 bottom teeth coming in before their 2 top teeth, was an &#8216;evil&#8217; spirit and would kill the baby in order to protect the tribe.</p>
<p>Fetishes, supersitions, taboos, and sins are all the same thing.  Reasons to reject someone from the group.  To seperate them from the group.  Like removing a rotten apple from the barrel.</p>
<p>This is rejection and it is for this reason that we invented all the conditions.  And like you expressed, not a one of us likes the feel of the experience.   It doesn&#8217;t feel very loving, much less accepting.</p>
<p>It also doesn&#8217;t inspire honesty, &#8217;cause we&#8217;re too scared of being condemned and/or rejected to feel at ease.  So we lie.  We hide behind a false mask of ourselves.  And our smiles don&#8217;t go all the way up to our eyes.  Or like you said, avoid people.</p>
<p>A lot of what you have shared revolves around one central issue, that of &#8220;Justice&#8221;.  And if you ponder it for a while, I bet you&#8217;ll come up with all the reasons why you feel the way you do.</p>
<p>Because what our judgments attempt to do, is tip the scales of Justice in our favor, after we have first perceived inJustice.</p>
<p>&#8220;Justice&#8221;&#8230;.a sticky issue you&#8217;ve brought up.  Verry sticky because of all our different definitions of it.  It&#8217;s all our basic differences surrounding this subject that has caused all our cultures to clash rather then merge upon meeting.  I will go further into another post.</p>
<p>The whole judgment thing is the workings of a virus, a consciousness virus.  It pops up all over the place, coloring almost everything we do.    This is another one that needs a seperate post to do it &#8216;justice&#8217; (snickering)</p>
<p>As for astrology, I&#8217;m specific.  ESOteric, not exoteric.  ESO studies what&#8217;s hidden.  EXO studies what our eyes can see.</p>
<p>The reason why it&#8217;s called hidden, is for two reasons.  One, because it deals with our inner natures.  And two, because anything having to do with even reconizing we have an inner nature has had to be hidden, veiled in symbolism to convey meaning, underground, so to speak, for to know anything about it meant a death sentence for millenia.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s why those of us familiar with it, feel a great reluctancy sticking our necks out.  It wasn&#8217;t by accident I was born in a country where my religious freedom was protected.  As was my Freedom of speech.</p>
<p>The freedom of religion liberty is the ONLY one that all our government agencies treat like a hot potato.  Hands off messing with this one, that&#8217;d be political suicide.  Which makes it perfect to use as a secure foundation.  &#8220;Base&#8221;  Can&#8217;t tag me when I&#8217;m on base.</p>
<p>Now by the time I throw in the little ditty that other people&#8217;s feelings ARE other people&#8217;s feelings and I CAN&#8217;T by any semblance of rational honesty, be BLAMED for what peptide other people&#8217;s brains produce in response to what I&#8217;ve shared..then I&#8217;ve pretty much resolved all the arguments surrounding our freedom of speech, too.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s because the ground I&#8217;m standing on is so solid, that I have the Courage to speak now.</p>
<p>ESOteric&#8230;the journey of our Soul through states of consciousness/awareness.  I looked for the exact quote for you but can&#8217;t put my finger on it right now.   It has to do with things of a moment, having all the intrinsic qualities of that moment.  And this relates to gravitational/magnetic fields.  It&#8217;s meaning is in what we have to work with.  Our raw materials.  It doesn&#8217;t have anything to do with our tools, for we all share the same toolbox and all share the same powers of transformation.</p>
<p>I compare it to being service personnel that have volunteered to help clean up a big mess.  We each choose a small part and do the best we can.  The big mess belongs to all of us, not any one in particular but everyone in general.  We&#8217;re each doing the best we know how, being the best drop we can be in our collective bucket.</p>
<p>Whatever one of us dumps into the bucket, we all get to taste.</p>
<p>How are you for &#8220;tart&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: Sue Ann Edwards</title>
		<link>http://www.hera-kles.com/Blog/2007/11/10/make-known-the-unknown/comment-page-1/#comment-728</link>
		<dc:creator>Sue Ann Edwards</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2007 18:32:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>{{SE}}!!!!

It&#039;s a POSITIVE that is happening.  Something very Loving for ALL of us but appearances can be awful as we transition.

It&#039;s like Humpty Dumpty&#039;s shell.  It&#039;s not a tragedy or crisis when his shell cracks, though it might very well scare him if all he&#039;s known is inside of that shell.  But it has to crack, in order for him to be born.

Humpty didn&#039;t go all to pieces.  Humpty hatched.

Happy Birthday!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>{{SE}}!!!!</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a POSITIVE that is happening.  Something very Loving for ALL of us but appearances can be awful as we transition.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s like Humpty Dumpty&#8217;s shell.  It&#8217;s not a tragedy or crisis when his shell cracks, though it might very well scare him if all he&#8217;s known is inside of that shell.  But it has to crack, in order for him to be born.</p>
<p>Humpty didn&#8217;t go all to pieces.  Humpty hatched.</p>
<p>Happy Birthday!</p>
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		<title>By: Sue Ann Edwards</title>
		<link>http://www.hera-kles.com/Blog/2007/11/10/make-known-the-unknown/comment-page-1/#comment-727</link>
		<dc:creator>Sue Ann Edwards</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2007 18:25:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I fell asleep last night with this on my mind that {{Mark}} had written:

&quot;To be unconditional love is to be true spirit&quot;

Thinking as I fell to sleep,

that to be unconditional love is to be true to our selves.  Most of us just don&#039;t realize &#039;who&#039; we are.  Since we&#039;ve been taught since birth that we&#039;re something else.

Smiling real big.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I fell asleep last night with this on my mind that {{Mark}} had written:</p>
<p>&#8220;To be unconditional love is to be true spirit&#8221;</p>
<p>Thinking as I fell to sleep,</p>
<p>that to be unconditional love is to be true to our selves.  Most of us just don&#8217;t realize &#8216;who&#8217; we are.  Since we&#8217;ve been taught since birth that we&#8217;re something else.</p>
<p>Smiling real big.</p>
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		<title>By: Sue Ann Edwards</title>
		<link>http://www.hera-kles.com/Blog/2007/11/10/make-known-the-unknown/comment-page-1/#comment-725</link>
		<dc:creator>Sue Ann Edwards</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2007 06:44:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Loving and Sensitive Mark,

What if I said we can only give as good as we got?

And once we give &#039;it&#039; to ourselves, then we have &#039;it&#039;, to give to others as we see fit.

Smiling.

We don&#039;t know how to love ourselves.  And that&#039;s the source of all our troubles with each other.  If we cant live in peace with ourselves, then there&#039;s no way we can live in peace with one another.

Learning how to love our own self unconditionally comes first.  Behind every one of our behaviours, there is a reason, a cause, a belief, that because of it, we reject our self.  It&#039;s a condition of acceptance.

When I was little I didn&#039;t need any reasons to enjoy ice cream.  I simply did.  It&#039;s as I grew up I began placing conditions on my enjoyment.  On whether I&#039;d allow myself to.  Had I stayed on my diet?  Did I deserve it?  had I been a good girl?

This is the way have been taught to be with all aspects of love.  Judging instead of seeking to understand.  Intolerant of our selves.  Impatient with ourselves, too.

What whip it takes to keep the rat racing.  Oh yes, I was a participant in the rat race once, until I figured out that the winner was still a rat.   That&#039;s when I opted for mouse.

Of the two choices, church or field, I chose field.  I knew I was still a rodent.  And church mice were into denying even that.

Since then I&#039;ve been out standing in my field.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Loving and Sensitive Mark,</p>
<p>What if I said we can only give as good as we got?</p>
<p>And once we give &#8216;it&#8217; to ourselves, then we have &#8216;it&#8217;, to give to others as we see fit.</p>
<p>Smiling.</p>
<p>We don&#8217;t know how to love ourselves.  And that&#8217;s the source of all our troubles with each other.  If we cant live in peace with ourselves, then there&#8217;s no way we can live in peace with one another.</p>
<p>Learning how to love our own self unconditionally comes first.  Behind every one of our behaviours, there is a reason, a cause, a belief, that because of it, we reject our self.  It&#8217;s a condition of acceptance.</p>
<p>When I was little I didn&#8217;t need any reasons to enjoy ice cream.  I simply did.  It&#8217;s as I grew up I began placing conditions on my enjoyment.  On whether I&#8217;d allow myself to.  Had I stayed on my diet?  Did I deserve it?  had I been a good girl?</p>
<p>This is the way have been taught to be with all aspects of love.  Judging instead of seeking to understand.  Intolerant of our selves.  Impatient with ourselves, too.</p>
<p>What whip it takes to keep the rat racing.  Oh yes, I was a participant in the rat race once, until I figured out that the winner was still a rat.   That&#8217;s when I opted for mouse.</p>
<p>Of the two choices, church or field, I chose field.  I knew I was still a rodent.  And church mice were into denying even that.</p>
<p>Since then I&#8217;ve been out standing in my field.<br />
l</p>
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		<title>By: Sue Ann Edwards</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sue Ann Edwards</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2007 06:21:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>{{ggirl}}  We&#039;ve got to remain True to our own Hearts.

Well do I know the split between our heads and our hearts.

What if I said our heads are misunderstanding what our hearts are trying to convey?  Just as we can misunderstand each other?

And what if, our heads sought to learn our heart&#039;s language and become unfied in our actions?  What if head chose to join with Heart to create Wisdom?

Maybe head&#039;s not understanding heart?

Maybe head&#039;s not actually listening to heart in the first place but listening to gut?

Heart can see through illusions.

Heads can&#039;t, unless enjoined with heart.

Listen to your heart and ask it, to explain things to your head.  Your own heart knows terms your head understands better than I do.

Hugs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>{{ggirl}}  We&#8217;ve got to remain True to our own Hearts.</p>
<p>Well do I know the split between our heads and our hearts.</p>
<p>What if I said our heads are misunderstanding what our hearts are trying to convey?  Just as we can misunderstand each other?</p>
<p>And what if, our heads sought to learn our heart&#8217;s language and become unfied in our actions?  What if head chose to join with Heart to create Wisdom?</p>
<p>Maybe head&#8217;s not understanding heart?</p>
<p>Maybe head&#8217;s not actually listening to heart in the first place but listening to gut?</p>
<p>Heart can see through illusions.</p>
<p>Heads can&#8217;t, unless enjoined with heart.</p>
<p>Listen to your heart and ask it, to explain things to your head.  Your own heart knows terms your head understands better than I do.</p>
<p>Hugs.</p>
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		<title>By: tumel</title>
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		<dc:creator>tumel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2007 16:01:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sue Ann, thank you again:) how you explain helps me to understand better what I try to understand about myself.  To me non-judgement of all is how I see unconditional love, but perhaps it is my fear of being judged by others that I must get over myself first, that this is the personality thing you speak of, because judgement is a form of a condition.

Since as far back as I can remember I have always disliked being judged, or labelled or some such, and I have always tried so hard not to judge others, to let them be as they are and accept them this way, I think mainly because I so disliked being judged so it has become a very consious thing to me and I am able to see when I judge and I see too when others judge as well, but I know I judge by seeing this in others:) so what I want to fully realize and try to change is that what I see as judgement in others is what I must judge in myself as well, so this is what I try to become more aware of now. It is like a circle to me, going around and around when I think it will stop when I can see no judgement of any kind, because when I do not see it, I will not have it in me either and this is when I think I would be able to fly:)

Sometimes I wonder, since I am interested in how the time we are born in, astrologically, just how much this time affects us, our personalities, am I this way because of the scale sign?  I have thought of this before only because I knew even before I began reading of astrology that I did not like being judged and tended to go towards those that I felt did not either, because it was with these people that I could fully be myself, the fear of being judged was never there, so then I wonder why is it there is no fear with some, even initally, but with others there is.  What is there that we maybe consiously cannot see, but can feel unconsiously.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sue Ann, thank you again:) how you explain helps me to understand better what I try to understand about myself.  To me non-judgement of all is how I see unconditional love, but perhaps it is my fear of being judged by others that I must get over myself first, that this is the personality thing you speak of, because judgement is a form of a condition.</p>
<p>Since as far back as I can remember I have always disliked being judged, or labelled or some such, and I have always tried so hard not to judge others, to let them be as they are and accept them this way, I think mainly because I so disliked being judged so it has become a very consious thing to me and I am able to see when I judge and I see too when others judge as well, but I know I judge by seeing this in others:) so what I want to fully realize and try to change is that what I see as judgement in others is what I must judge in myself as well, so this is what I try to become more aware of now. It is like a circle to me, going around and around when I think it will stop when I can see no judgement of any kind, because when I do not see it, I will not have it in me either and this is when I think I would be able to fly:)</p>
<p>Sometimes I wonder, since I am interested in how the time we are born in, astrologically, just how much this time affects us, our personalities, am I this way because of the scale sign?  I have thought of this before only because I knew even before I began reading of astrology that I did not like being judged and tended to go towards those that I felt did not either, because it was with these people that I could fully be myself, the fear of being judged was never there, so then I wonder why is it there is no fear with some, even initally, but with others there is.  What is there that we maybe consiously cannot see, but can feel unconsiously.</p>
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		<title>By: tobeme</title>
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		<dc:creator>tobeme</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2007 21:23:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sue Ann,
Great question, big question. To be unconditional love is to be true spirit. I know unconditional love on an individual by individual basis, however I do not know of true uncoditional love of humanity. Yes, we are capable, may we strive towards that which we are capable of.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sue Ann,<br />
Great question, big question. To be unconditional love is to be true spirit. I know unconditional love on an individual by individual basis, however I do not know of true uncoditional love of humanity. Yes, we are capable, may we strive towards that which we are capable of.</p>
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		<title>By: ggirl</title>
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		<dc:creator>ggirl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2007 20:06:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I saw the movie, too.  I was really excited about it when I first heard of it, but I was ultimately disappointed.  I agree that it was shallow.  On the other hand, as you know better than most (including me), intellectual understanding is a long way from true holistic (for lack of a better word) knowing.  It requires a leap that is simply beyond most people.  It&#039;s beyond most people I know, at least.

I also am a container for contradictions.  I am not this or that, but both.  It makes me elusive for most people to understand, but I&#039;m very at home with it.  The only real problem I have is sometimes I get stuck between intellect and emotion.  They don&#039;t always agree.

As for unconditional love, it&#039;s a thing I work on constantly.  And it&#039;s hard work.  It&#039;s such a huge concept to fully grasp that I find few people who can even begin to embrace it.  Dichotomy and the sense of being right tends to prevail.

On the other hand, maybe it&#039;s just the people I tend to hang out with (through no choice of my own, really).

Thanks for another challenging post!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I saw the movie, too.  I was really excited about it when I first heard of it, but I was ultimately disappointed.  I agree that it was shallow.  On the other hand, as you know better than most (including me), intellectual understanding is a long way from true holistic (for lack of a better word) knowing.  It requires a leap that is simply beyond most people.  It&#8217;s beyond most people I know, at least.</p>
<p>I also am a container for contradictions.  I am not this or that, but both.  It makes me elusive for most people to understand, but I&#8217;m very at home with it.  The only real problem I have is sometimes I get stuck between intellect and emotion.  They don&#8217;t always agree.</p>
<p>As for unconditional love, it&#8217;s a thing I work on constantly.  And it&#8217;s hard work.  It&#8217;s such a huge concept to fully grasp that I find few people who can even begin to embrace it.  Dichotomy and the sense of being right tends to prevail.</p>
<p>On the other hand, maybe it&#8217;s just the people I tend to hang out with (through no choice of my own, really).</p>
<p>Thanks for another challenging post!</p>
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